[bluesky] k

[drewschkelton] if they had just got in and out as a pack the number of fatalities would not be as high at all

[bluesky] the point?

[drewschkelton] but its the fear that causes ourselves to kill trample over eachother

[drewschkelton] the fear of being in the back of the pack

[bluesky] This is mothernatures scheme, I'm not sure why I should feel bad about it.

[drewschkelton] being picked off

[drewschkelton] yes but it gets to my point of you being happy with being spiritually evolved

[drewschkelton] people do the same thing

[bluesky] it's those *subject* to fear that cause other's like them to be *trampled*

[bluesky] Those who live like animals, are subject to the law of the jungle

[drewschkelton] because of fear we dont want to get mixed up with other people. we remain in packs and act out of ego so that we dont appear weak and in the back of the pack from the fear of being picked off

[bluesky] Those who live like spiritual beings, are only subject to the laws of God.

[bluesky] I won't get *sandbagged* the plight of others because I don't want to *go down* with them

[drewschkelton] we live in secular circles and are happy with the small area of life that is safe to us even though there is no real threat as people have become their own worst enemy

[bluesky] It does'nt mean I won't send throw a lifeline.

[drewschkelton] we have become our own worst enemy

[bluesky] LIke I said, you can't help people caught in quicksand by jumping in with them

[drewschkelton] we kill everything, and now even our own home. we are our worst enemy

[drewschkelton] this could be changed by acting as a group and making a difference

[bluesky] we are beings in transition

[drewschkelton] but people choose to not do anything

[bluesky] People are still half animal

[bluesky] We are still growing.

[bluesky] Some are further ahead than others.

[bluesky] Some behind.

[drewschkelton] by allowing these actions to happen we are contributing to further detriment to society and life

[bluesky] Society is a construct

[drewschkelton] how is there any love in letting others fail and suffer?

[bluesky] And the society we can create is based on our development

[bluesky] And the development of the population is uneaven.

[bluesky] And not all people are *able* to particiapte in those constructs

[bluesky] It's just a body dude

[drewschkelton] we all have the same capability to change our homes destiny

[drewschkelton] its taking the innitiative

[bluesky] The soul is born into bodies over and over and over again.

[bluesky] When the soul develops to the point to which it says: I demand more! It will surely have it.

[drewschkelton] can you comprehend the perception of god?

[bluesky] I don't understand the question

[drewschkelton] your perception of being spiritualy evolved and of love is amiss so how can you say that it is just a body

[drewschkelton] this is your reality

[drewschkelton] right now

[bluesky] I think our ideas of what "love" is differ.

[bluesky] For me, love is not always pink hearts and fluffy bunnies.

[duskryder] obviously

[duskryder] lol

[bluesky] *grin*

[drewschkelton] god is change out of cycles

[drewschkelton] growth and love

[duskryder] but we wuv ewe anyways blue HUGGS

[bluesky] *aww*

[bluesky] *blush*

[drewschkelton] if you dont offer change how are you doing anything of love?

[drewschkelton] seems just selfish to me

[bluesky] who says I'm not offering change?

[drewschkelton] in the end its always about other people

[bluesky] Now that's what I'd call emotional blackmail

[duskryder] *shrug* everyone has their own journey to follow drew

[duskryder] both yours vary

[bluesky] IMO, and in what I have learned, the most *potent* way to help others, is to live an example of higher spiritual ideals.

[drewschkelton] selfcenteredness is not the way

[bluesky] well that's quite a condemnation

[drewschkelton] those that have gained knowledge giveth to thee

[bluesky] If you wanna jump in the quicksand with the others, be my guest. I'll not be coerced into doing the same

[drewschkelton] and thats in the bible, koran, most religions, monks, gurus

[drewschkelton] even that king who renounced his kingship said the same thing

[drewschkelton] you will die in the end and the knowledge you have will be nothing

[bluesky] I think I'm shouting at the wind here. I'm answering you but you are either not *accepting* what I am saying or don't *understand* what I am saying.

[drewschkelton] I am answering you with my beleifs as are you

[bluesky] Earthly life is *death*. Physical death is freedom.

[bluesky] Let's focus on that idea for a bit.

[drewschkelton] if you are not open to higher perspectives then you will never see them

[drewschkelton] thats what life is, learning

[drewschkelton] you should know that

[drewschkelton] but mabye im wrong

[bluesky] ok, so now that we've stated our respective belief systems, can we move on to another topic?

duskryder starts singing and dancin to folk songs while the debate continues

[duskryder]

[bluesky]

[drewschkelton] sure

[duskryder] how was your Halloween Robe--Blue

[duskryder] ??

[duskryder] did ya scare any kiddies?

[bluesky] It passed by quietly, thankfully.

[duskryder] aaawwww party pooper lol

[bluesky] (: